Actually all sex life is a great offence in Vrindavana

Prabhupada has been taking his massage in his bedroom because the sun is still a little too strong for him to be exposed to it for an hour and a half. During today's massage he talked more about the householders and women and children who are being attracted to come and stay here. He stressed the purity of living in Vrindavana, that it is meant for renunciation and not for increasing our material propensities. He said that actually Vrindavana is not meant for householders. "It is for the sannyasis, brahmacaris and vanaprasthas," he said. "It is meant for retirement from material activity; it is not an ordinary place. But they are coming and thinking, 'Oh, Vrindavana is so nice,' and simply eating and having sex. Actually all sex life is a great offence in Vrindavana. It is not a place for increasing the family. Even so, if they do come, they must work. Not that the sannyasis go out and beg and support the householders?this is very wrong. Householder means that he must work, he must work harder than the others to earn a livelihood and give at least fifty percent to the temple also." He spoke also about the many false renunciates wandering Vrindavana's sacred precincts. "They live in the forest, naked, renounced, eating fruits?but debauch number one. Markata-vairagya [monkey renunciates]. There are so many vairagis. Markata. Bhaktivinoda Thakura has said, ei 'ta kali-cela: Here is a disciple of Kali. Nake tilaka galai mala: But has got a tilaka on the forehead and neck beads on the neck. But he is Kali-cela?number one disciple of Kali. You know this song? Kali-cela?" He gave a little chuckle as he cautioned us not to broadcast the fate of such a person, lest it got us into trouble. But he said that it was a fact that those who live in Vrindavana and behave like monkeys will take their next birth as monkeys. "Then next life they will be liberated. In one life all their sinful activities will be punished. Because as soon as animal life is obtained, there is no more further record of the sinful life. The animals cannot make sinful activities more than what is destined by him. But their sinful activity is not taken into account. For this man who is offered this monkey's body, he suffers the inconvenience of monkey life. So his sinful activities are counteracted, and because he came to Vrindavana and lived in Vrindavana by the mercy of Radharani, next life he will be ... That is the glory of Vrindavana-dhama. Otherwise what is the explanation of these dogs and hogs and monkeys in Vrindavana? It is dhama-aparadha, committing offense in dhama. As dhama-bhajana, if one undergoes devotional service out of Vrindavana, and one executes devotional service in Vrindavana, that is hundred times better. Similarly dhama-aparadha also. This aparadha, when offense is committed outside Vrindavana, that is not so grievous as committing offense in Vrindavana. Dhama-aparadha. So the punishment is there, but the reward is also there. One life makes pardoned. Tat te 'nukampam su-samikshamano bhunjana evatma-kritam vipakam. Therefore a devotee in a reverse condition of life, he understands that 'I am punished, little punished for my previous mischievous activities. So now I am becoming liberated.' So he becomes more enthused to worship the Lord, that 'You are finishing my sinful reaction of life with slight punishment. Thank you very much.' This is devotee. Tat te 'nukampam su-samikshamanah." Harikesa, wanting to clarify at what point such fallen personalities recognize their position and turn to the Lord, asked, "The dogs and monkeys, they feel grateful?" "Yes," Prabhupada said. "When they come to sense they feel grateful. As dogs they cannot. As dog or monkey they cannot enhance their sinful activities?it is stopped. And whatever they do, that is not taken into account. And to suffer as dog or monkey means counteracting all previous sins. One punishment?finished, then he's fully liberated." When Harikesa began to ask about desire, Srila Prabhupada interrupted to say that in Kali-yuga simply desiring was not sinful. But Harikesa's question was about how the change in desire from sinful to spiritual comes about. Since a person takes a lower birth due to his material desires and to be liberated he must have spiritual desires, he asked, "So whilst they're monkeys their desire must change. Or is that change forced upon them by the mercy of Krishna?" Prabhupada said that if one was repentant then there was no punishment, but that the change in desire was indeed wrought by Krishna. "This is forceful change. That is the advantage of Vrindavana bhajana." But he added, "If one unconsciously, without any knowledge, does something wrong, that is excused. But they do willfully. They know it is wrong, still they do it. That is punished. Caitanya Mahaprabhu personally said, asat eka stri-sangi. Those who are habituated to illicit sex are punishable. Asat. It is very, very bad. And still if somebody does like that, he is punished. This is going on. Here illicit sex ... The babajis, I heard, they say, 'What is the wrong there? It is love.' They say like that, they take it as love, 'gopi's love,' they say. 'Gopi's used to do that, used to have illicit mixing, intermingling with Krishna. What is wrong?' they'll say. They get support from Krishna-lila. Such rogues they are, sahajiyas. "There are many so-called gentlemen, they write books on Krishna-lila, paint picture. 'This is very nice. Krishna is advocating illicit intermingling.' They take it as support of their sinful activities. I have seen personally. Anyone who is a woman-hunter, he's being addressed by his friend, 'Oh, you are like Krishna.' They take Krishna as a man. How they will take instruction of Krishna? Avajananti mam mudhah. Param bhavam ajanantah. We are teaching people to become Krishna conscious, to become servant of Krishna, and the so-called enlightened gentlemen, take Krishna as a debauch, black debauch. They take Vaishnava religion is sex." Prabhupada digressed a little, this misconceived description of Krishna reminding him of the tribal people who live in the jungle. "There are aborigines in India. They are called santal. Black men live in the forest like the African aborigines. So I asked him that, 'You, [in the] jungle, do you meet the tigers?'" "'Oh, yes, yes. Why not?'" "'so how do you save yourself?' So he had a small axe in his hand, so he showed me that 'so long I have got this axe, even the tiger will not dare to attack me.' After all, tiger is afraid of the axe. They are afraid of even stick. Immediately they understand, 'He's superior.' Actually man is superior with some weapon. I have got personal experience. He said, 'He's a big tiger. But we treat them like dogs.' One axe, they keep always. Just like we keep a stick, they keep one axe." Harikesa recalled that last year the monkeys in Seva-kunja had attacked Upendra, snatching his prasadam and biting him in the leg. Prabhupada was a bit surprised "Achha?" Then he said that previously the government was capturing the monkeys in Vrindavana and selling them at a good price for medical purposes in Europe, until people protested. "The monkey's hormone is injected or replaced so one regains his sex power," he said. "They are very sexually strong." Harikesa asked whether that interfered with the spiritual life of the monkey, since they would not be able to die in Vrindavana. But Prabhupada said that everything was being done by superior arrangement. "Karmana daiva-netrena. People should learn all these things by practical example instead of becoming irresponsible and without any obedience to the superior law. They should learn it, but they have no intelligence. They think, 'We are all free.' Wherefrom the monkey is coming, why there are so many varieties of life? What do they know? Nothing. All bluff, vague explanation, and that is going on in the name of science. This is the position. All rascals. Fortunately we have got this Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-gita?all knowledge, first-class knowledge." He said that by studying sastra, we can understand Krishna's true position as the eternal enjoyer of everything. "For Him, everything anandamayo 'bhyasat, everything ananda. He has no such thing that 'this is harmful,' 'this is useful.' That is Krishna. Because nobody can do harm to Him, and neither in the spiritual world anyone is harmful; everyone is advanced devotee. Even tigers, they are also devotees." We were a little surprised to hear there were tigers in the spiritual world, but Prabhupada said all varieties of life are there. "They have tigers and serpents and everything like that?" I asked. Prabhupada tipped his head in affirmation. "Everything. They are all devotees." Harikesa wondered if there were dogs and hogs. Prabhupada said yes. "But they are not hog. Just like Krishna appears as hog, but that doesn't mean He's hog. Krishna appears as fish; that does not mean He's fish." After lunch Srila Prabhupada went upstairs onto the roof. He sat out on the veranda for a while in his rocking chair, his hand gently fingering his beads as he softly chanted japa. Hansaduta and Harikesa Maharajas joined him. The subject of householders in our society was still on Prabhupada's mind and he told the two of them that ideally, no householder should be a temple president. Only brahmacaris and sannyasis should be temple presidents. He said the householders should not live at the expense of the temples; they should live outside and maintain the temples.